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7th Sep 2025

Rebuilding Safe, Connected Intimacy After Pornography Use

Thrive Beyond Pornography is about real change. Overcoming pornography was the hardest challenge of my life and marriage. It shattered my confidence, tainted my most important experiences, and felt impossible to escape.

But I did.

This podcast—and the resources at GetToThrive.com—will help you understand the struggle, break free from pornography, and build a thriving life with your spouse.

At some point, I stepped away from 12-step meetings and counselors. I stopped looking for outside solutions and started figuring out my own mind. That shift changed everything. Here, I share those lessons with you. You’ll get the tools, principles, and mindset shifts you need to reclaim control—starting today.

Whether you're struggling with unwanted pornography use, supporting a spouse, or just feeling stuck, this podcast will help you move forward. You’ll hear real conversations with my spouse, experts in human sexuality, and former users who have broken free.

Thrive Beyond Pornography brings a fresh perspective to your journey, helping you change the way you think—and, ultimately, the way you live.

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🎙️ Episode 313: Touch Without Fear — Rebuilding Safe, Connected Intimacy After Pornography Use

If you’ve ever found yourself flinching from your partner’s touch — or feeling a pang of guilt when reaching for theirs — you're not alone.

After pornography has entered a relationship and trust has been shaken, touch — something that used to feel comforting or natural — can suddenly feel fragile… even threatening.

Maybe you’re the one who feels rejected and unsure how to reach out again. Or maybe you're holding your breath, waiting for the next time things go wrong — scanning every interaction for signs of disconnection.

For many couples, physical intimacy after pornography use becomes a minefield — something to avoid entirely, or something they try to rush back into in hopes of fixing what’s broken. But when we hurry the healing, we often deepen the hurt.

This episode is about something different.


It's about learning how to touch without fear — how to rebuild physical closeness, not from guilt or pressure, but from shared values, mutual choice, and emotional safety.

Whether you're the one who struggled with pornography, or the one who was hurt by it — or both of you are trying to make sense of the aftermath — today, we’re going to offer a new framework.


One built on empowerment, not obligation.


On slow, mutual connection — not performance.


On choosing, not perfection.

We’ll talk about what really happens to intimacy after betrayal.


Why some couples shut down, and others leap into physicality without feeling emotionally ready.


And most importantly — how you can begin, step-by-step, to reclaim closeness that feels safe, chosen, and real.

🎙️ Section 2: What Happens to Intimacy

So let’s be honest: after pornography has impacted a relationship, intimacy doesn’t just pick up where it left off.


Something shifts — and for a lot of couples, that shift is felt most in the body.

Sometimes it’s subtle. A flinch. A long pause. A hesitation before reaching out.


And sometimes, it’s more overt: pulling away from hugs, avoiding eye contact, sleeping with more space between you than before.

This is normal. And it’s important to know: these reactions are not signs of failure. They’re signs of pain. And pain needs attention — not shame.

I also want to talk for a moment about the term betrayal. I don’t often use it because I don’t want to create eternal victimhood or portray people who view pornography as a means of self management and emotional escapism as perpetrators in a crime against their spouse. Often, when we talk about betrayal, this is the way we frame the discussion and it’s difficult, if not impossible, to shift that conversation for someone who has been betrayed because there is an essential part of healing that goes on by acknowledging the hurt and sense of loss that comes with discovering that your spouse may not be the person they presented themselves as or that you expected they would be or that you both agreed they would be.

So, as we discuss this topic and as I use the terms betrayal and betrayed, please recognize that I am not offering you or your spouse an unending reason to be in a power dynamic that isn’t equal. Please understand that I am trying to acknowledge the hurt and pain that is often part of this process without believing that it is insurmountable. Finally, on the idea of betrayal, when we are willing to address the hurt openly, honestly, and with an eye toward healing, it can be the catalyst for greater understanding and greater intimacy.

1. Hypervigilance

One of the most common responses after betrayal — especially when pornography was involved — is hypervigilance.

The betrayed partner becomes emotionally and even physically on high alert. They may find themselves constantly scanning — for changes in tone, eye contact, body language.

They may be trying to control as much as they can. This may be because They’re trying to feel safe again.

And in the body, that can show up as tension during touch… or a gut feeling that something’s just ‘off’ — even during moments of affection.

2. Shutdown

On the flip side, some partners experience shutdown — withdrawing from physical closeness, from vulnerability, even from conversation.

It might look like someone going quiet, or suddenly becoming 'too busy' for time together, or avoiding any form of physical connection, sexual or otherwise.

This is self-protection.

When trust has been shaken, even a well-meaning hug can feel like too much, too fast.

3. Guilt-Based Closeness

And then there’s a really tricky one: guilt-based closeness.

This often happens when the person who used pornography feels remorse and tries to make it up through physical affection.

It might sound like, ‘I just want to prove I love you.’ Or, ‘Let me show you how much you mean to me.’

And while that impulse comes from a sincere place, it can put pressure on the betrayed partner — as if they now owe physical closeness in return for the apology.

This creates a dynamic where touch becomes a transaction, not choosing.

4. The Performance Trap

There’s also what we call the performance trap.

This is when either partner starts to believe that being physically intimate again means things are back to normal.

So one or both of you might feel the unspoken pressure to 'get back in the bedroom' — even if emotionally, you're still miles apart.

The thinking goes: If we can be close again physically, that must mean we’re okay.

But intimacy isn’t a scoreboard — and pushing past emotional readiness to meet physical expectations only creates more disconnection."

Reflection

Here’s what’s essential to remember:


These reactions — hypervigilance, shutdown, guilt-driven closeness, or performance pressure — they affect both partners.

It’s not just about the person who was hurt. It’s not just about the person who used pornography.

It’s about the dynamic between you — how trustworthiness is created, how the ability to choose each other is rebuilt, how the relationship is renegotiated.

And the goal? It’s not to 'get back to normal.'

It’s to build something each of you choose.

Something more intentional.


More open.


Which can lead to deeper connected than perhaps ever before.

So how do you do that?


How do you move from fear or confusion to touch that feels safe and real again?

That’s what we’re going to explore next — by reframing intimacy not as something you owe, but as something you choose, from a place of shared values and mutual care.

🎙️ Section 3: Reframing Intimacy as a Values-Based Choice

So often in the aftermath of betrayal, especially with something as tender and loaded as pornography use, sometimes we try to 'earn' our way back to closeness.

We reach for affection not because it feels natural or grounded, but because we’re trying to fix the rupture.

And while that desire for repair is deeply human… it often leads to engagement that feels performative, obligatory, or worse — disconnected.

But what if there was another way?

What if touch wasn’t a test or a transaction…
but a choice — made freely, gently, and in alignment with your deepest values?

This is where we turn to something called a values-based approach to intimacy.

It’s inspired by ACT — Acceptance and Commitment Therapy — and it shifts the entire conversation.

Instead of:
'I touch you because I’m supposed to…'

We move toward:
‘I choose to offer connection because I value healing… I value honesty… I value love.’

See the difference?


One comes from pressure.


The other comes from choosing your spouse from a position of a solid sense of self without getting lost in anxiety. What we might call differentiation.

Clarify: Intimacy ≠ Sex

Now, before we go further — let’s get really clear on something:

Intimacy is not the same thing as sex.

Intimacy might include sex, but it starts long before that.

It begins with things like:

* Eye contact

* Sitting together while being internally calm and connected

* Honest, gentle conversations, that can be uncomfortable

* Being in tune with how your partner is feeling emotionally - not mind reading but knowing them by talking with them, choosing closeness with them, and hearing what’s going on in their world without needing to defend yourself

These are the building blocks of safety. Of connection. Of trust.

And they matter just as much — if not more — than physical acts.

By the way, if you notice, safety isn’t about having no risk in the relationship. Safety comes only as we move through the risk of exposure and rejection, getting strong enough to handle those things while not needing our spouse to manage or validate us.

This is crucial to understand because if we don’t fully grasp that safety, connection, and trust are about getting strong enough rather than something that someone provides to us, then betrayal becomes a place of victimhood that we are unlikely to escape because we’re placing our sense of well being entirely outside of our control.

Take a moment and ask yourself:
When was the last time we shared connection without pressure?

When was the last time touch was given, or received, not as a signal that 'we’re okay' — but as a small expression of, 'I see you. I’m here. I choose you.’?

That’s the kind of intimacy we’re talking about today.


The kind that isn’t measured by performance… but by presence.

And here’s the really powerful part: when intimacy is driven by strength and choice, both partners can reclaim agency.

You're not waiting for things to ‘go back to normal.’


You’re asking:
What kind of closeness do we want to create — on purpose — from here forward, from values driven action?

Maybe you value comfort.


Maybe you value tenderness.


Maybe you value spiritual connection, laughter, quiet companionship, or radical honesty.

Whatever your values are — use them as the guide to strengthen yourself so intimacy can follow.

So instead of touching each other out of fear — or avoiding each other out of pain — you begin to create a new rhythm.

One where every gesture, every glance, every moment of closeness becomes an act of shared intention.

And that brings us to the core idea of today’s episode…


A practical, step-by-step framework to rebuild intimacy through two core ideas.

Let’s talk about what that actually looks like — in real, everyday moments.

🎙️ Section 4: The “Touch Without Fear” Framework


This is the actionable, hope-filled core of the episode — here I want to give you practical steps you can try today.


Because while ideas are powerful, what couples often need most in this stage of healing is to take action in the direction of what kind of relationship you want to create.

These process isn’t linear.


And the goal here isn't to 'fix' intimacy — it’s to create a space where it can grow because each of you can choose the other.

Let’s talk about a simple, but powerful idea:

“Why?” Not “What?”

🔹Step 1: Why, Not What?

Let’s begin not with what you’re doing… but why you’re doing it.

Because in intimacy, motivation matters more than method.

You can perform the exact same act — like folding laundry, planning a date night, or reaching for your partner’s hand — and depending on the why behind it, it will either create connection… or silently breed resentment.

💡 The Power of Motivation

Here’s a common example we see in couples healing after pornography use:

A husband, feeling guilty or desperate to reconnect, starts doing all the household chores — cleaning the kitchen, folding the laundry, putting the kids to bed. On the surface, it looks helpful. Admirable, even.

But underneath? He’s doing it with an agenda: 'If I do all of this, maybe my wife will want to be close to me again.'

This kind of behavior often comes from pain and longing — and that’s valid.

But it creates an unspoken pressure. A transactional undercurrent. A message of:
'I’m doing this so you’ll give me something in return.'"

🔄 The Same Action, A Different Why

Now imagine the same husband doing those exact same tasks — not to manipulate an outcome, but because he sees a need.

He believes in shared responsibility. He wants to create a calm, functional home. He values being a present, engaged partner and parent.

His why has shifted from pressure to partnership.

And because of that shift, the act is no longer a covert attempt at earning intimacy — it’s an expression of who he wants to be in the relationship.

🌱 Why This Matters in Physical Closeness

The same principle applies to physical intimacy.

Are you reaching for your partner because you want to genuinely connect?


Or because you're hoping it will calm their anger… prove you’re doing better… or make the tension go away?

When we act from a place of fear, guilt, or expectation, touch becomes transactional — even if we don’t say it out loud.

But when we lead with clarity and values — 'I’m offering this because I care… because I want to be near you… because I value our connection, whether it leads to anything else or not' — touch becomes a gift.

✅ Practice This:

Here are a few prompts you can ask yourself or explore together:

* Why am I initiating this gesture right now?

* Would I still be doing this if it didn’t “lead to” anything?

* Is this act about who I want to be in the relationship — or about what I want from my partner?

* Is this moment driven by pressure… or presence?

🎯 Bottom Line:

In rebuilding intimacy, your motivation shapes the meaning.

So before you take a step toward connection — ask:

Is this a reflection of my values… or a strategy to get something I want?

Because intimacy rooted in ‘why’ brings healing.

Intimacy rooted in ‘what’ — without reflection — often brings confusion, pressure, and disconnection.

🔹 Step 2: Lean Into the Discomfort of Not Being Validated

One of the hardest — and most transformative — things you can do in intimacy is this:

Learn to stay present when your partner doesn’t give you what you want.

In other words, lean into the discomfort of not being validated, not being agreed with, not being chosen in the way you expected — and stay grounded.

Because when we react to rejection — with pouting, withdrawal, guilt, or pressure — we make it difficult for our partner to be honest.

And when it’s not safe to be honest… it’s impossible to create the space so that we can truly choose each other.

💬 A Personal Story: From Obligation to Freedom

When my wife Darcy and I were newly married, she had internalized advice like:
“Never say no to your husband, or he’ll go somewhere else.”

So, for a long time, when I initiated sex, she didn’t feel free to say no.

Not because she didn’t love me.


Not because she didn’t want closeness.

But because she felt obligated, not free.

And I — like so many people — had learned to view sex as a kind of validation:
If she says yes, I’m wanted. If she says no, I’m rejected.

So when she said no… I didn’t handle it well.

I’d mope. Withdraw. Pressure. I didn’t hold space, either.

Over time, this created a dynamic where sex made us both feel worse:

* She gave what she didn’t want to give

* I received what wasn’t freely offered

And that’s not the kind of sex — or relationship — either of us wanted.

🛠️ Practicing Emotional Responsibility

Eventually, I realized:
I have to make space for her to choose me — which means making space for her to say no.

So I started doing something REALLY uncomfortable:

I would say to her, “I’d like to make out tonight — can you give me a yes or a no?”

And then I’d mean it.

I had to learn how to hold onto myself when the answer was no.

I had to sit with the feeling that maybe she didn’t want me — and then do the internal work to remember:
I’m still okay. She still loves me. This is not a personal attack.

And more than that — I wanted her yes to mean something.


Which means her no had to be real, too.

🧠 Why This Matters for Rebuilding Intimacy

If you want real connection — not performance, not obligation, not guilt-based compliance — you have to get good at being uncomfortable.

You have to stop treating your partner’s “no” as rejection.


You have to self-regulate.

And sometimes, you’ll have to move closer — emotionally or physically — right after hearing a no.

Not as a manipulative signal, but as a quiet truth:
“I still choose you. Even when I’m not getting what I want.”

That kind of safety? That kind of grounded presence?


It opens the door for your partner to actually choose you.

Not because they feel obligated.


Not because they’re afraid of your reaction.


But because they want to.

✅ Practice This:

* The next time you ask for something — physical, emotional, sexual — add this line:
“You’re free to say yes or no. I’ll handle myself either way.”


* After hearing “no,” breathe, pause, and choose to stay present.
Don't retreat. Don’t shame. Just stay.

* When it feels hard, remind yourself:
“I’m building a relationship where we can both be honest and free.


🎯 Bottom Line:

Real intimacy isn’t about getting the answer you want.


It’s about creating the kind of relationship where your partner can give an honest answer — and know they’ll still be safe.

That starts with you.


And it starts by leaning into the discomfort that arises when your partner’s truth doesn't validate your need.

That’s where freedom begins.

And remember: this framework isn’t about doing it perfectly.

You’ll try things, and some might feel clumsy. You might misread each other’s signals. That’s okay.

Intimacy after betrayal is not a straight line. It’s a slow, sometimes awkward, deeply courageous process.

But each gentle touch, each honest check-in, each moment of permission — it all adds up.

Not to perfection…


But to connection.

I also want to talk about what happens when mistakes inevitably come up — and how those moments can become data, not defeat.

🎙️ Section 5: Mistakes Are Not the End — They’re Data


Let’s be real — even with the best of intentions, this work isn’t always smooth.

You might try a moment of connection and realize one of you is more triggered than expected.

Maybe a touch that was meant to be comforting brings up anxiety.

Or maybe you misread each other’s cues, and it leads to hurt feelings, distance, or even an argument.

When that happens — and it will — please hear this:

You are not failing.

You’re learning.

Mistakes, misunderstandings, and mixed signals are all part of the process.

Intimacy isn’t a script. It’s a living, breathing experience — and in the aftermath of betrayal, your nervous systems are often recalibrating at different paces.

So when something doesn’t go as planned, pause.


Don’t jump to judgment or shutdown.


Instead, try to ask:

'What just happened here?'
'What did I feel in my body?'
'What might my partner have felt?'

And most importantly:
'What can we learn from this moment — together?'"

Back in Episode 237, we talked about this idea:

Every difficult moment is an invitation to observe, reflect, and realign.

This is no different.

If something goes sideways, take a breath. Take a step back. Then come together again — maybe not immediately, but eventually — to share what you noticed.

Because the goal here isn’t flawless execution.
It’s resilience.

Rebuilding intimacy after pornography use — or any form of betrayal — is a dance of attunement and a renegotiation of the relationship.

Some steps will feel clumsy. Some moments will feel raw.

But if you can treat each misstep not as evidence that you’re broken, but as data — information about what you need, what works, what doesn’t —then you’re not moving backward.

You’re refining the way forward.

And as we close this episode, I want to speak directly to the two of you — not as a couple in crisis, but as two people choosing to stay in this together.

🎙️ Closing: Choosing, Not Perfecting

So here’s where we land.

If you’ve listened this far, you’re not just asking how to fix your intimacy.


You’re asking how to rebuild it — intentionally, courageously, and with a level of honesty that maybe you’ve never had before.

And that matters.


Because this kind of healing doesn’t come from doing everything right.


It comes from choosing each other, again and again — especially when it’s uncomfortable, inconvenient, or unfamiliar.

🌿 From Transaction to Transformation

We’ve talked a lot in this episode about how easy it is to fall into transactional patterns:

* Doing the right things in hopes of getting validation

* Offering closeness out of guilt

* Pressuring or people-pleasing just to avoid conflict

But what if your relationship could move beyond that?

What if you could make room for both of you to be fully human — uncertain sometimes, healing at different paces, learning how to trust again, being trustworthy regardless, not because you have to… but because you want to?"

🔄 The Choice That Changes Everything

Intimacy, at its core, is not about access.


It’s about freedom.

The freedom to be honest.


The freedom to say yes — or no — and know you don’t have to manage your spouse.


The freedom to stop performing and start connecting.

And that kind of freedom, It’s born when we each take responsibility for our own emotions, our own healing, and our own why.

When we stop using each other to soothe what we don’t want to feel, and start showing up in ways that are clear, kind, and true.

💬 One Small Step

So here’s what I want to leave you with today — one small thing you can do:

Have a 5-minute check-in with your partner and ask this:

“What kind of intimacy do we actually want to build — from this point forward?”

Not what you had before.


Not what you think you should have.


But what feels honest, possible, and meaningful now.

And in that conversation, I want you to understand that this is not the “final” version, but the first iteration.

🧭 Final Words

Rebuilding intimacy after pornography use is not about getting back what you lost.

It’s about creating something that never had the chance to fully exist —


A relationship where both of you are free to choose.

Free to say no, and still feel loved.


Free to say yes, and know it’s real.

Not because you’re perfect.


But because you’re in process — together.

And that process?


That’s where the healing lives.

Thanks for joining me for this episode of Thrive Beyond Pornography

If this resonated with you, take a moment to share it with your spouse, a trusted friend, or someone walking a similar road.

And if you want to go deeper into this journey, set up an appointment at GetToThrive.com/workwithzach — I’d love to meet with you

You don’t have to rush.


You don’t have to perform.

You just have to keep choosing each other — one honest step at a time.

Alright, my friends, I will talk to you next week.

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Thrive Beyond Pornography (Formerly The Self Mastery Podcast)
(Formerly The Self Mastery Podcast) This podcast is for Couples who want to overcome pornography. We teach you how to retrain your brain to completely quit pornography. If you are excited to move past pornography, this is the...
Learning to Thrive Beyond Pornography use was the greatest challenge of our life and marriage. It had rocked my self confidence, tainted all of the most important experiences of my life and become the most impossible challenge I had as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
With this podcast or at https://www.zachspafford.com you'll learn about the struggle, how to overcome pornography use, and where to find additional resources to begin to thrive beyond pornography with your spouse.
At some point I took a step away from all the 12 step meetings and councilors and started to figure out my own brain, to look at my issue as something that I had the answer to and I was going to figure it out. Here I share those lessons and give you the power to start your own journey free. Whether you struggle with unwanted pornography use or are the spouse or partner, whether you feel stuck or just don't know where to start, here I will teach you principles, tools and skills that you can use today to change how you think and, in the end, what you do.
You'll hear interviews with my spouse, with experts on human sexuality and with former and current pornography users on how you can overcome your own struggle with addictive behavior.
The Thrive Beyond Pornography podcast will bring new perspective to your struggle and keep you coming back to improve all aspects of your life. (formerly, The Self Mastery Podcast: Overcome Pornography Forever)
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Zach Spafford is an Acceptance and Commitment Coaching, Be Bold Masters, and The Life Coach School trained life coach with over 25 years of experience with addictive behaviors.
He has been coaching in the business world for over 15 years and changing lives through increased productivity and achieved results.
Zach has a passion for making peoples lives better through helping them move past their addictive behaviors and becoming the people they want to be.